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How Jeffrey Epstein fooled America | Today, Explained
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Hi and welcome to Today Explained
Saturday. I'm Estead H Hearnden and
every week I'll be talking to someone in
the news, in the culture, or just
exploring an idea I can't get out of my
head. Now, this week is a little
different because I have something
embarrassing to admit. I have not really
followed the Epstein files as closely as
I should have. Now, of course, I've
tracked the news. I've seen people
losing their jobs, the former Prince
Andrew getting arrested. I know Epstein
was a monster, but like most Americans,
I haven't sorted through all those
documents, separated truth and fiction,
and I have a lot of unanswered
questions. So, this week, we decided to
dig into it. But first, we started with
an exercise. I wanted to write out
everything I already knew about Epstein,
the things I know to be true, so I can
also create a list of questions I still
had to give it to an expert. So, here's
the list of facts. One, Epstein was a
monster. A convicted sexual predator
first in 2008 and arrested again in
2019. The second thing I know is that
Jeffrey Epstein was ridiculously rich.
And he got rich by handling other
people's money. He was a financeier, a
money manager for folks like Leslie
Wexner, the Victoria Secret mogul who
took that brand nationwide. The third
thing I know is that Epstein kept a
group of famous rich guys around him.
folks like Elon Musk, Bill Gates, the
former Prince Andrew, and of course,
Donald Trump. Epstein also kept a group
of elite enablers, people who were at
the top of the legal and finance fields,
and they were crucial to him being able
to last without justice for so long.
Folks like Kathy Rumbler, Jess Staley,
and Brad Karp. The other thing I know
about Epstein is that his life and death
was shrouded in conspiracy. There were
questions about whether he used the
information he knew for blackmail
against powerful people, whether he was
a government agent or linked to a
national spy agency. The other thing
that of course swirls around him is the
question of whether he actually killed
himself. That led me to some things I
wanted to know immediately, some
questions I wanted to take to an expert.
First, what took so long for these fouls
to come out? Second, how many of the
people in Jeffrey Epstein's circle were
hanging out with him post conviction?
How aware were they of his sex
trafficking? The third thing I want to
know is how much did his life as a money
manager overlap with his activities as a
trafficker? Why were his elite enablers
so attached to him? And the last thing,
and maybe the most important, is what
does justice for the survivors look
like? So, I decided to call up Tara Paul
Mary, independent journalist. Pal Mary
is an expert on the Epstein files. She's
dedicated several years to reporting on
them. She has talked and interviewed the
victims, broke down legal documents, and
untangled the web of influence that
surrounds Epstein. And I also think Paul
Mary represents something important. The
independent journalists who have
basically followed it from the beginning
and made sure the public got answers
because it was the independent
journalists who are putting the pieces
together maybe before mainstream news
ever was.
Thank you for joining us today. I really
appreciate your time.
>> Oh, thanks for having me, Estad.
>> You know, I think that you're the person
perfect person for us to chat with. You
know, at the end of the day, this is
about exploitation. This is about abuse.
And your reporting has focused on
advocating for the voices of these
survivors. You recently wrote that the
survivors remain hopeful that they might
still be able to testify before
Congress. They still want to speak to
the FBI. I guess my first question is
why hasn't that happened yet?
>> I know it's absurd, right? Like why have
they they have reached out to Pam Bondi
and they want to speak with her and in
fact around the time when the files were
first released back in December, the
original deadline, one of the survivors
of Epstein told me like we're we have a
request meeting with Pam Bondi. We're
supposed to meet with her. And I was
like well can I report on it cuz that's
news obviously if she's going to meet
with them. And the survivor was like,
"Please, that's off the record. We don't
want to lose this chance to sit down
with her and like really make our case
because they are genuinely hopeful that
there would that she would take them
seriously." And of course, she had some
sort of scheduling conflict, never
followed up. They've never seen her. And
as you saw in that hearing, they stood
up and raised their hands when asked if
any of them like had like if they had
not been contacted by the FBI. And it
just seems like if this was truly an
active investigation and you were
following up on the leads, then you
would be in contact with victims who had
valuable information. And if you
actually took their accounts seriously
and not just seeing them as hearsay and
gossip, like I feel like that is the one
thing that has been consistent
throughout multiple administrations is
that they've really taken the
testimonies of these victims as just
like hearsay and gossip.
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