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How Jeffrey Epstein fooled America | Today, Explained

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Hi and welcome to Today Explained

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Saturday. I'm Estead H Hearnden and

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every week I'll be talking to someone in

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the news, in the culture, or just

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exploring an idea I can't get out of my

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head. Now, this week is a little

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different because I have something

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embarrassing to admit. I have not really

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followed the Epstein files as closely as

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I should have. Now, of course, I've

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tracked the news. I've seen people

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losing their jobs, the former Prince

00:22

Andrew getting arrested. I know Epstein

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was a monster, but like most Americans,

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I haven't sorted through all those

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documents, separated truth and fiction,

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and I have a lot of unanswered

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questions. So, this week, we decided to

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dig into it. But first, we started with

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an exercise. I wanted to write out

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everything I already knew about Epstein,

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the things I know to be true, so I can

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also create a list of questions I still

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had to give it to an expert. So, here's

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the list of facts. One, Epstein was a

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monster. A convicted sexual predator

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first in 2008 and arrested again in

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2019. The second thing I know is that

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Jeffrey Epstein was ridiculously rich.

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And he got rich by handling other

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people's money. He was a financeier, a

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money manager for folks like Leslie

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Wexner, the Victoria Secret mogul who

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took that brand nationwide. The third

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thing I know is that Epstein kept a

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group of famous rich guys around him.

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folks like Elon Musk, Bill Gates, the

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former Prince Andrew, and of course,

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Donald Trump. Epstein also kept a group

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of elite enablers, people who were at

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the top of the legal and finance fields,

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and they were crucial to him being able

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to last without justice for so long.

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Folks like Kathy Rumbler, Jess Staley,

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and Brad Karp. The other thing I know

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about Epstein is that his life and death

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was shrouded in conspiracy. There were

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questions about whether he used the

01:46

information he knew for blackmail

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against powerful people, whether he was

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a government agent or linked to a

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national spy agency. The other thing

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that of course swirls around him is the

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question of whether he actually killed

01:59

himself. That led me to some things I

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wanted to know immediately, some

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questions I wanted to take to an expert.

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First, what took so long for these fouls

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to come out? Second, how many of the

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people in Jeffrey Epstein's circle were

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hanging out with him post conviction?

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How aware were they of his sex

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trafficking? The third thing I want to

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know is how much did his life as a money

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manager overlap with his activities as a

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trafficker? Why were his elite enablers

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so attached to him? And the last thing,

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and maybe the most important, is what

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does justice for the survivors look

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like? So, I decided to call up Tara Paul

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Mary, independent journalist. Pal Mary

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is an expert on the Epstein files. She's

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dedicated several years to reporting on

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them. She has talked and interviewed the

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victims, broke down legal documents, and

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untangled the web of influence that

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surrounds Epstein. And I also think Paul

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Mary represents something important. The

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independent journalists who have

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basically followed it from the beginning

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and made sure the public got answers

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because it was the independent

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journalists who are putting the pieces

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together maybe before mainstream news

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ever was.

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Thank you for joining us today. I really

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appreciate your time.

03:18

>> Oh, thanks for having me, Estad.

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>> You know, I think that you're the person

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perfect person for us to chat with. You

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know, at the end of the day, this is

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about exploitation. This is about abuse.

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And your reporting has focused on

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advocating for the voices of these

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survivors. You recently wrote that the

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survivors remain hopeful that they might

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still be able to testify before

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Congress. They still want to speak to

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the FBI. I guess my first question is

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why hasn't that happened yet?

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>> I know it's absurd, right? Like why have

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they they have reached out to Pam Bondi

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and they want to speak with her and in

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fact around the time when the files were

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first released back in December, the

03:53

original deadline, one of the survivors

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of Epstein told me like we're we have a

03:58

request meeting with Pam Bondi. We're

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supposed to meet with her. And I was

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like well can I report on it cuz that's

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news obviously if she's going to meet

04:04

with them. And the survivor was like,

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"Please, that's off the record. We don't

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want to lose this chance to sit down

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with her and like really make our case

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because they are genuinely hopeful that

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there would that she would take them

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seriously." And of course, she had some

04:18

sort of scheduling conflict, never

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followed up. They've never seen her. And

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as you saw in that hearing, they stood

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up and raised their hands when asked if

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any of them like had like if they had

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not been contacted by the FBI. And it

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just seems like if this was truly an

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active investigation and you were

04:36

following up on the leads, then you

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would be in contact with victims who had

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valuable information. And if you

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actually took their accounts seriously

04:44

and not just seeing them as hearsay and

04:47

gossip, like I feel like that is the one

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thing that has been consistent

04:51

throughout multiple administrations is

04:52

that they've really taken the

04:54

testimonies of these victims as just

04:57

like hearsay and gossip.

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