C2 Expression Neutral 6 min read

By this logic

Argumentation and critical discussion expression

In 15 Seconds

  • Highlights absurd outcomes of reasoning.
  • Use to question or playfully critique arguments.
  • Works in casual chats and formal debates.
  • Tone is key: friendly or critically sharp.

Meaning

This phrase is your secret weapon for pointing out the absurd consequences of someone's reasoning. It's like saying, 'Okay, if we follow your train of thought, then THIS is what happens.' It carries a tone of playful disbelief or serious critique, depending on how you deliver it. Think of it as a verbal mic drop on flawed logic, often with a hint of 'Can you believe this?'

Key Examples

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Texting a friend about a silly rule

My landlord said I can't have guests over after 10 PM. `By this logic`, I guess I can't even have a quick chat with my neighbor!

My landlord said I can't have guests over after 10 PM. By this logic, I guess I can't even have a quick chat with my neighbor!

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Discussing a movie plot with a friend

The hero saved the day by doing nothing? `By this logic`, I could have saved the world by sleeping in!

The hero saved the day by doing nothing? By this logic, I could have saved the world by sleeping in!

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Job interview (Zoom call)

You mentioned streamlining our workflow. `By this logic`, implementing this new software would reduce our project turnaround time by 15%.

You mentioned streamlining our workflow. By this logic, implementing this new software would reduce our project turnaround time by 15%.

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Cultural Background

In the US, 'By this logic' is a staple of 'punditry' on news channels. It is used to create 'soundbites' that make an opponent look foolish. In British English, the phrase is often delivered with a heavy dose of 'deadpan' sarcasm. The absurdity is stated as if it were a perfectly normal fact. In global academic writing, this phrase is used to identify 'reductio ad absurdum' in peer reviews. It is considered a valid way to test a hypothesis. On platforms like X (Twitter) and Reddit, 'By this logic' is often used to 'ratio' a post. It's a way for the community to collectively mock a bad take.

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The 'Would' Rule

Always pair 'By this logic' with 'would' or 'could' to sound more native. It emphasizes that you are talking about a hypothetical, absurd world.

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Don't be a 'Debate Bro'

Using this phrase too much can make you sound like you're always looking for a fight. Use it sparingly for maximum impact.

In 15 Seconds

  • Highlights absurd outcomes of reasoning.
  • Use to question or playfully critique arguments.
  • Works in casual chats and formal debates.
  • Tone is key: friendly or critically sharp.

What It Means

This phrase is your go-to for highlighting the potentially silly or extreme outcomes of an argument. You're essentially saying, 'If we accept your premise, then this is the logical next step.' It's often used to show that someone's reasoning, if taken to its extreme, leads to a conclusion that's either funny or doesn't make sense. It's a way to question the validity of an argument by showing where it might lead. It's like a polite way of saying, 'Wait a minute, that doesn't quite add up!'

How To Use It

You can use by this logic when you want to challenge someone's thinking. Imagine your friend says, 'We should ban all sugary drinks because they're unhealthy.' You might reply, By this logic, we'd have to ban all food, because too much of anything can be unhealthy!' It's great for debates, discussions, or even just teasing friends. You can also use it to agree with someone's reasoning but point out the funny side effect. 'You want to save money by never leaving the house? By this logic, we'll never have any fun!' It's all about showing the chain reaction of an idea.

Formality & Register

This phrase is quite versatile. You can use it in casual chats with friends, making it sound witty and sharp. It also works well in more formal settings, like a classroom debate or a work meeting, where you need to critically analyze an idea. The key is your tone. Said with a smile, it's lighthearted. Said with a serious face, it's a sharp critique. It's not overly formal or slangy, making it a solid choice for most situations. Think of it like a well-fitting blazer – it can be dressed up or down.

Real-Life Examples

  • On social media: Someone posts, 'If you don't buy the latest phone, you're not a true fan.' A comment might read: 'Uh, by this logic, my ancient flip phone makes me a non-fan?'
  • In a meeting: A colleague suggests cutting all marketing to save money. You might say, 'That's a bold move. By this logic, should we also stop selling our products to save on production costs?'
  • Texting a friend: 'I can't believe you ate the whole pizza! By this logic, you're going to hibernate all winter.'
  • Watching a show: A character argues for extreme measures. Another character might scoff, 'By this logic, we'd all be living in caves.'

When To Use It

Use by this logic when you want to:

  • Point out an inconsistency in someone's argument.
  • Show that a rule or idea, if applied broadly, leads to absurd results.
  • Playfully exaggerate a point someone is making.
  • Critically analyze a proposal or statement.
  • Add a touch of wit to a discussion.
  • You're trying to win a debate, or at least make people think. It's like adding a mic emoji to your argument!

When NOT To Use It

Avoid by this logic when:

  • You want to be purely agreeable or supportive. It inherently introduces a challenge.
  • The situation is highly sensitive or emotional. It can sound dismissive.
  • You're speaking to someone who is very new to the language. They might miss the nuance.
  • The argument is already extremely complex. Adding this might just confuse things further.
  • You're trying to be super concise, like in a tweet with character limits. It takes a few words to land.
  • It might sound like you're trying to be overly clever or pedantic. Nobody likes that guy!

Common Mistakes

  • By the logic → ✓ By this logic (The article 'the' is usually unnecessary and sounds unnatural.)
  • By logic → ✓ By this logic (Omitting 'this' makes it too general and less impactful.)
  • With this logic → ✓ By this logic ('With' doesn't fit the idiomatic structure.)
  • Following the logic → ✓ By this logic (While similar, 'By this logic' is a distinct, punchier idiom.)
  • ✗ Using it when the conclusion isn't actually logical. It needs to follow *some* kind of reasoning, even flawed reasoning.

Common Variations

  • Following that logic...: Very similar, slightly softer. Often used to transition smoothly.
  • If that's the case...: More general, less focused on the specific *logic*.
  • So, you're saying...: Used to rephrase and often set up the by this logic point.
  • That implies...: More formal and direct.
  • Logically, that means...: Similar but perhaps a bit drier.
  • If we go by that reasoning...: A longer, more explicit version.

Real Conversations

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Scenario

Two friends discussing a new diet trend.

Friend A: 'I'm going vegan because I read it's the healthiest option.'

Friend B: 'Okay, but by this logic, if you're only eating kale, you're missing out on protein and other nutrients. So is that *really* the healthiest?'

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Scenario

Colleagues discussing a project deadline.

Colleague 1: 'We need to finish this report by Friday, no exceptions.'

Colleague 2: 'Friday? But by this logic, if we rush it, the quality will suffer, and we'll have to redo it anyway. Isn't that counterproductive?'

Quick FAQ

  • Is it always critical? Not at all! It can be used humorously to poke fun at a situation, like exaggerating a friend's dating preferences. 'You only date people who own cats? By this logic, you'll be single forever!'
  • Can it sound rude? It can, if your tone is aggressive or the context is inappropriate. Always consider your audience and delivery. A gentle tone makes it friendly; a harsh tone makes it confrontational.
  • Does it have to be a *bad* logic? Not necessarily bad, but often leads to an unexpected or funny outcome. You're highlighting a consequence, not just agreeing. It's about the *implication*.
  • Is it common in writing? Yes, especially in opinion pieces, blogs, or even critical reviews. It adds analytical weight. You might see it in a Netflix review: 'The plot makes no sense. By this logic, the characters should have just given up in the first act.'

Usage Notes

This phrase is highly versatile, fitting into casual chats, social media, and professional discussions. Its effectiveness hinges on context and tone; a friendly delivery makes it witty, while a serious tone adds critical weight. Be mindful not to overuse it, as it can sound pedantic or overly critical if employed too frequently or inappropriately.

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The 'Would' Rule

Always pair 'By this logic' with 'would' or 'could' to sound more native. It emphasizes that you are talking about a hypothetical, absurd world.

⚠️

Don't be a 'Debate Bro'

Using this phrase too much can make you sound like you're always looking for a fight. Use it sparingly for maximum impact.

Examples

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#1 Texting a friend about a silly rule
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My landlord said I can't have guests over after 10 PM. `By this logic`, I guess I can't even have a quick chat with my neighbor!

My landlord said I can't have guests over after 10 PM. By this logic, I guess I can't even have a quick chat with my neighbor!

Shows the exaggerated, slightly inconvenient outcome of a strict rule.

#2 Discussing a movie plot with a friend
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The hero saved the day by doing nothing? `By this logic`, I could have saved the world by sleeping in!

The hero saved the day by doing nothing? By this logic, I could have saved the world by sleeping in!

Humorously points out the lack of effort or sense in the movie's plot resolution.

#3 Job interview (Zoom call)
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You mentioned streamlining our workflow. `By this logic`, implementing this new software would reduce our project turnaround time by 15%.

You mentioned streamlining our workflow. By this logic, implementing this new software would reduce our project turnaround time by 15%.

Applies the interviewer's stated goal to a specific, beneficial outcome.

#4 Instagram caption under a meme about extreme dieting
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Me trying to eat healthy vs. my actual eating habits. 😂 `By this logic`, I'm basically starving myself for that one cookie.

Me trying to eat healthy vs. my actual eating habits. 😂 By this logic, I'm basically starving myself for that one cookie.

Uses the phrase humorously to describe the exaggerated sacrifice for a small treat.

#5 Email to a colleague about a project proposal
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I understand the need for cost-cutting. However, `by this logic`, eliminating all travel expenses might prevent us from securing crucial client relationships.

I understand the need for cost-cutting. However, by this logic, eliminating all travel expenses might prevent us from securing crucial client relationships.

Politely challenges a proposal by showing its potentially negative consequence.

#6 WhatsApp message to a group chat
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Everyone's going to the concert on Saturday? `By this logic`, we'll have to leave by noon to beat traffic!

Everyone's going to the concert on Saturday? By this logic, we'll have to leave by noon to beat traffic!

Playfully exaggerates the implications of a group decision.

#7 Debating a friend about a hypothetical scenario
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You think we should invest everything in crypto because it's volatile? `By this logic`, we should also bet our life savings on roulette!

You think we should invest everything in crypto because it's volatile? By this logic, we should also bet our life savings on roulette!

Draws a parallel to a clearly risky and unwise decision to highlight the flaw.

#8 Emotional discussion about personal boundaries
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He said he'd call every day, but he hasn't. `By this logic`, maybe he doesn't care about me at all.

He said he'd call every day, but he hasn't. By this logic, maybe he doesn't care about me at all.

Expresses hurt and doubt by extrapolating a negative conclusion from broken promises.

Incorrect usage example Common Mistake
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✗ `By the logic`, we should buy more stocks.

✗ By the logic, we should buy more stocks.

The article 'the' makes the phrase sound unnatural and less idiomatic.

Incorrect usage example Common Mistake
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✗ `With this logic`, the project will fail.

✗ With this logic, the project will fail.

Using 'with' instead of 'by' is grammatically incorrect for this idiom.

#11 Casual conversation about chores
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I have to clean my room? `By this logic`, you have to do my homework too!

I have to clean my room? By this logic, you have to do my homework too!

A playful, slightly cheeky way to deflect a chore by extending the 'rule' illogically.

#12 Online forum discussion about a game's rules
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The game says you can't build there. `By this logic`, you can't place any structures near water, which makes the game unplayable!

The game says you can't build there. By this logic, you can't place any structures near water, which makes the game unplayable!

Highlights how a rule, if applied strictly, breaks the game's core mechanics.

Test Yourself

Complete the sentence with the correct phrase.

You say we shouldn't go outside because it's cold. ____, we should stay inside for the entire winter.

✓ Correct! ✗ Not quite. Correct answer: By this logic

'By' is the standard preposition used with 'logic' in this rhetorical context.

Which response best uses 'By this logic' to point out an absurdity?

Person A: 'I don't like to read books because they take too much time.'

✓ Correct! ✗ Not quite. Correct answer: Person B: 'By this logic, you should stop eating too, because cooking and chewing take time.'

This response takes the premise (time-consuming = bad) and applies it to another essential activity to show the absurdity.

Fill in the missing part of the dialogue.

Manager: 'We only hire people who already have a job.' Employee: 'But sir, ____, no one would ever be able to get their first job!'

✓ Correct! ✗ Not quite. Correct answer: by this logic

'By this logic' is the most natural fit for challenging a hiring policy.

🎉 Score: /3

Visual Learning Aids

Practice Bank

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Complete the sentence with the correct phrase. Fill Blank B1

You say we shouldn't go outside because it's cold. ____, we should stay inside for the entire winter.

✓ Correct! ✗ Not quite. Correct answer: By this logic

'By' is the standard preposition used with 'logic' in this rhetorical context.

Which response best uses 'By this logic' to point out an absurdity? Choose B2

Person A: 'I don't like to read books because they take too much time.'

✓ Correct! ✗ Not quite. Correct answer: Person B: 'By this logic, you should stop eating too, because cooking and chewing take time.'

This response takes the premise (time-consuming = bad) and applies it to another essential activity to show the absurdity.

Fill in the missing part of the dialogue. dialogue_completion C1

Manager: 'We only hire people who already have a job.' Employee: 'But sir, ____, no one would ever be able to get their first job!'

✓ Correct! ✗ Not quite. Correct answer: by this logic

'By this logic' is the most natural fit for challenging a hiring policy.

🎉 Score: /3

Frequently Asked Questions

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It can be. It's a direct challenge to someone's thinking. In a friendly debate, it's fine, but in a sensitive conversation, it might sound condescending.

Yes! 'By that logic' is actually more common when you want to distance yourself from the other person's idea. 'That' makes the idea feel further away.

Yes, very often. It's used to test the limits of a theory or to point out inconsistencies in previous research.

'So' is neutral. 'By this logic' implies that the connection between the two ideas is flawed or interesting to examine.

Related Phrases

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Reductio ad absurdum

specialized form

The formal name for the logical maneuver.

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By that same token

similar

In the same way or for the same reason.

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Slippery slope

builds on

An argument that one small step will lead to a chain of bad events.

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In that case

similar

If that is true.

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