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Jordan Peterson debate on the gender pay gap, campus protests and postmodernism
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Juden peterson you've said that men need
to quote grow the hell up
tell me why well because there's nothing
uglier than an old infant there's
nothing good about it it people who
don't grow up don't find the sort of
meaning in their life that sustains them
through difficult times and they are
certain to encounter difficult times and
they're left bitter and resentful and
without purpose and adrift and hostile
and resentful and vengeful and arrogant
and deceitful and and of no use to
themselves and of no use to anyone else
and no partner for a woman and there's
nothing in it that's good
so you said I mean that sounds pretty
bad yes Isis of masculinity I mean what
do you do about it
you tell you help people understand why
it's necessary and important for them to
grow up and adopt responsibilities why
that isn't a shake your finger and get
your act together sort of thing why it's
more like but why it's more like a
delineation of the kind of destiny that
makes life worth living I've been
telling young men but it's not
I wasn't specifically aiming this
message at young men to begin with it
just kind of turned out that way and
it's mostly you admit it's mostly men
listening I mean it is your audience is
well it's about 80 percent on on YouTube
which is a YouTube is a male domain
primarily so it's hard to tell how much
of it is because YouTube is male and how
how much of it is because of what I'm
saying but you you what I've been
telling young men is that there's an
actual reason why they need to grow up
which is that they have something to
offer you know that that that people
have within them this capacity to set
the world straight and that's necessary
to manifest in the world and that also
doing so is where you find the meaning
that sustains you in life so what's gone
wrong then oh god all sorts of things
have gone wrong I think that I don't
think that young men are here words of
encouragement some some of them never in
their entire lives as far as I can tell
that's what they tell me and the fact
that the words that I've been that I've
been speaking the YouTube lectures that
I've done and put online for example
have had such a dramatic impact is
indication that young men are starving
for this sort of message because like
why in the world would they have to
derive it from a lecture on YouTube now
they're not being taught that they that
it's important to develop yourself
because it doesn't bother you that your
audience is predominantly male does that
isn't isn't that a bit divisive no I
don't think so I mean it's no more
divisive than the fact that YouTube is
primarily male and tumblr is primarily
my female resident tumblr is primarily
female all right you're just saying
that's the way it is
oh it's I'm not saying anything it's
just an observation that that's the way
it is there's plenty of women that are
watching my lectures and coming to my
talks and buy my books it's just that
the majority of them happen to be men uh
it's what's in it for the women though
well what sort of partner do you want
you want an overgrown child or do you
want someone to contend with that's
going to help you your eye on women have
some sort of duty to sort of help fix
the crisis masculinity it depends on
what they want no I mean it's exactly
exactly how I laid it out like women
want deeply want men who are competent
and powerful and and I don't mean power
in in the in in the in that they can
exert tyrannical control over others
that's not power that's just corruption
power is competence and why in the world
would you not want a competent partner
well I know why actually you can't
dominate a competent partner so if you
want more you should dominate is that
what you're saying no I'd say women who
have had their relationships impaired
with impaired their relationships with
men impaired and who are afraid of such
relationships will settle for a weak
partner because they can dominate them
but it's a suboptimal solution do you
know when they were doing I think
there's a substantial minority of women
who do that and I think it's very bad
for them they're very unhappy it's very
bad for their partners although the
partners get the advantage of not having
to take any responsibility what gives
you the right to say that I mean maybe
that's how women want their
relationships those women I mean you're
making these vast generalizations I'm a
clinical psychologist right so you've
you're saying you've done
your research and women are unhappy
dominating men I didn't say they were
unhappy dominating then I said it was a
bad long-term solution okay you said it
was making them Israel yes yes and it
depends on the time frame I mean there
can be there's intense pleasure in
momentary domination that's why people
do it all the time but its nose formula
for a long-term successful long-term
relationship that's reciprocal right any
long-term relationship is reciprocal
firstly by definition so let me put it
quite to you from the bank well you say
there are whole disciplines in
universities forthrightly hostile
towards men these are the areas of study
dominated by the postmodern stroke
neo-marxist claim the Western culture in
particular is an oppressive structure
created by white men to dominate and
exclude women but then I want to put
minorities - okay but I want to put to
you that here in the UK for example
let's say that as an example the gender
pay gap stands at just over 9% you've
got women at the BBC recently saying
that the broadcaster is illegally paying
them less than men to do the same job
you've got only seven women running the
top footsie 100 companies hum so it
seems to a lot of women that they still
being dominated and excluded to quote
your words back to you it does seem that
way but multivariate analysis of the pay
gap indicate that it doesn't exist nine
percent cap ager that's a gap between
median hourly earnings between men and
women yeah but there's multiple reasons
for that one of them is gender but it's
not the only reason
like if you're a social scientist worth
worth your salt you never do a
univariate analysis like you say well
women in aggregate are paid less than
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