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A pro-Israel case against Israel | Today, Explained
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Hi and welcome to Today Explained
Saturday. This week we talked with Rahm
Emanuel, former congressman, White House
chief of staff under President Obama,
two-term mayor of Chicago, and the
former ambassador to Japan under
President Biden. Now, why talk with
Rahm? Well, first, very few people have
operated at every level of power in
American politics like he has. Also,
Emanuel has a specific lens when it
comes to the growing conflict in Iran.
He was one of the people who helped
negotiate peace agreements alongside
President Clinton in the 1990s. Emanuel
was also in the Obama White House as
they took the first steps toward the
Iran nuclear deal. Emanuel also has a
long and testy history with Israeli
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who's
at the center of this conflict and is
increasingly a controversial figure in
domestic politics. But my first question
to Rahm Emanuel was pretty simple. What
should we call the guy? ambassador,
mayor, congressman. Let's dig in.
Um, we thank you for joining us and it's
a particularly newsy time. I know that
um, you're someone who has led the
Democratic has been a big part of
shaping the Democratic party over the
last 20 years. I want to start there. um
if you were in Congress right now, would
you know I'm sure you followed uh
Congressman Roan's war powers resolution
that he's p that he's tried to put on
the floor along with Congressman Thomas
Massie. I was wondering if you know if I
if what do you think about that war
powers resolution and would you vote uh
for the president to have to come to
Congress for um approving the Iran
strikes that we saw?
>> Short answer is yes, but let me fill in
the blanks because I think it's
important.
>> One is the Congress is a day late and a
dollar short. you knew this and they
should have been forcing this issue and
debating it. You didn't even need to get
a vote. They should have been debating
this. Second piece and the reason I'm a
yes is the a the president in his
8-minute video over the weekend uses the
term war.
>> Mhm.
>> So once he says that it is it triggers
it, you could argue through the merits
of this but we're going to go after the
nukes, we're going to go after the
ballistic missiles, we're going to go
after the uh capabilities, the proxies
and left it in the strategic or military
area. Yeah,
>> I'm not sure based on history and that
includes both Democrat, Republican
president, you would do that. But once
he says war and once he says regime
change and moves it into the political
column, then you absolutely have to have
that vote and you have to have that
debate.
>> I mean, I want I think that makes a
clear point about the process. I also
want to ask about the substance. The
White House has given contradictory
varying reasons for this.
>> It's like Alakari, you can pick whatever
you want from the salad bar.
>> Absolutely. from every interview he's
given, he said everything from this
isn't regime change, this maybe is
regime change to uh uh to this is kind
of punishment for years long
anti-American crimes. But let's try to
take the the the reasoning that uh White
House press secretary Caroline Levit
said that this was about permanently
decapitating Iran's nuclear capability
and punishing a regime that was
fundamentally anti-American. If
President Trump and hypothetically would
have made that case in front of Congress
and you were there, would you have voted
to authorize the
>> So let me again let me go back uh a
second here. First of all, the
administration is silent to a fault
>> when they start. Literally, not only the
president is silent, his cabinet is even
even out trying to explain it to the
country on Sunday morning.
>> Yep.
>> So, you've gone from silent to multiple
choice.
>> And I'm I took note of this. You had the
Secretary of State, Secretary of
Defense, the two individuals that sit on
either side of the president in the
cabinet room based on ranking in the
cabinet, etc.
Secretary of Defense Hegsth walks the
president's comments over the weekend
back to more of a strategic.
>> Secretary Rubio implies other things
that the United States got led into this
and the president of United States says
all of it and above and more etc.
>> So to me that is a real challenge. The
second thing is and I do think you know
my guess is if it was left to the
strategic the president of the United
States has latitude doesn't mean we
don't have a debate as a country about
it. The political component of this is
what has hurt the cause because at this
point the president if he had stuck in
the administration to not only more
limited
>> you could have argued the country would
back it. Second, he'd be at the point
right now of serious success versus, you
know, you're not going to decapitate. In
15 months, this president has taken
military action against eight countries.
I just just in 15. Now, we got three
more years to go. In 15 months,
Iran twice, but you have Syria, Iraq,
Somalia, Venezuela,
uh you uh I'm losing Nigeria. Now they
may have said
this could be a calculation. The
intelligence gives the president a
briefing and say look if you don't move
now in a year from now or to say 6
months from now here's what where our
thought is both on nuclear startup and
on ballistic missiles then you have a
case in the situation which is either
this window closes and you don't act and
they're just you think and that's
probably true given the Iranian history
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