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Did Democrats do enough to stop Epstein? | Today, Explained
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Hi and welcome to today explained
Saturday. So everybody knows our
politics are divided. Democrat versus
Republican, left versus right, divided
on lines like age, gender, and race. But
the biggest divide in our politics may
not be about identity at all. In my
opinion, it's insiders versus outsiders.
And it's only gotten more noticeable in
recent months as issues like the Epstein
files and questions about artificial
intelligence have seemed to pit the
elites against the rest of us.
Congressman Roana is at the center of
both of these issues. He wrote the
Epstein Transparency Act. He brought one
of the survivors of Epstein's abuse to
this week's State of the Union, and he's
coined the term Epstein class, meaning
the group of wealthy and connected
individuals that he says deserve
accountability, even if they're
Democrats. Kana is also the congressman
from Silicon Valley, meaning he's worked
with companies like Google and Meta and
seen them transition over the years. and
he's at the forefront of one of the most
important political questions of our
moment. Is AI about to put us all out of
work? And is the government going to do
anything about it? So this week I travel
to Washington DC to talk to Kana about
this and a whole lot more. Let's dig in.
>> Congressman Okconor, thank you for
joining me.
>> Thanks for having me. I uh want to talk
to you for a lot of reasons, but
specifically about two issues most
clearly. I think that with this second
Trump administration, some of the big
dramas have been expected, you know,
over immigration, over things like the
economy, but things like the Epstein
files and things like AI and the future
of work have become these topics. I feel
like you are really right at the center
of both of those. Um, I wanted to start
with the Epstein Files. This has become
such a large part of the work you're
doing in Congress. I just wanted to know
where that started for you. How did you
become uh uh the voice for this issue or
one of them?
>> I have traveled to a lot of rural towns,
factory towns. I've done a lot of
podcasts of Trump voters and I knew that
this was something that Trump campaigned
on that he was going to hold elites
accountable that rich and powerful
people were getting away with breaking
the law and that that was wrong and
that's really what started my interest.
Can you give us a status update?
Obviously, there's been a massive
document dump, but it can be hard to
keep track of. How much have we gotten?
How much is still out there?
>> At least 50% still has been hidden,
covered up. But, uh, what has been
released is shocking, messy, and I
didn't think we'd get this far. I mean,
they've released a fair amount. It's
still that they're keeping the worst
stuff, but what they've released is not
a good look at our elite class. It's not
a good look at the Epstein class. I
mean, these are powerful people in
business, in Silicon Valley, in
Hollywood, who are visiting Epstein's
Island, knowing young girls are being
abused, knowing young girls are being
raped,
>> and uh every day a a shoe drops. Now,
other countries are prosecuting. They
are prosecuting Lord Mendelson. They're
prosecuting former Prince Andrew, former
prime minister of Norway, leaders in
France. uh we are seeing resignations of
powerful law firm people and powerful
banks but we have not yet seen
investigations and prosecutions. Yeah,
we haven't seen that level of
accountability of particularly um uh
legal accountability here but I know
that you've been focused on a couple
documents most specifically the 302
victim interview statements, the
prosecutor memo from 2007. I wanted to
know for the documents you've both been
focused on, have we gotten those?
>> No, but the issue is broader than that.
It's not just the f the 302 statements
of the survivors about the president.
It's the survivors statements about the
many men who may have abused or raped
them. A lot of those 302 files have been
redacted. And we need to get that
information. That's where the survivors
tell us who were the men who abused
them. And the prosecution memo tells us
why these charges were not brought
brought. Why did Epstein get a
sweetheart?
>> We haven't got that either.
>> We have not gotten that. What's the
recourse? I mean, obviously you
pressure, political pressure, public
pressure. Is I mean, is there like some
magic solution that can get you at least
the documents you're most looking for?
>> Well, first of all, the public pressure
has worked, right? It worked from Donald
Trump saying absolutely not, not going
to sign this bill to signing a
Democrat's bill. I mean, who would have
thought that the most significant piece
of Democratic legislation that Donald
Trump would sign would be the Epstein
transparency act. And it's worked in
terms of first they dumped documents
that were total junk in December. And
now they've had a real release. It's not
a full release, but it's a real release.
So, we need to continue the public
pressure to get them to drip by drip
give us more of these documents.
>> You mentioned your work with Congress
and Thomas Massie. Obviously, that
relationship has been critical for the
success of you all's advocacy here. How
did that develop?
>> It was uh because of our work against
these overseas wars. In fact, we're
partnering. It hasn't gotten as much
attention, but next week we're going to
force a vote to stop the war in Iran. We
do not like America getting into wars
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