Advanced Hypothetical: -ㄴ/은들 (No Use Even If)
Grammar Rule in 30 Seconds
Use -ㄴ/은들 to express that even if a hypothetical situation occurs, the result remains unchanged.
- Attach to verb stems ending in a consonant: -은들 (e.g., 먹다 -> 먹은들).
- Attach to verb stems ending in a vowel: -ㄴ들 (e.g., 가다 -> 간들).
- Always followed by a rhetorical question or a negative outcome.
Overview
The Korean grammar pattern -ㄴ/은들 (romanized as -n/eundeul) is a B2-level structure that expresses a hypothetical concession where, even if a certain situation or condition were true, a subsequent outcome would remain futile, unchanged, or negative. It conveys a strong sense of resignation, skepticism, or rhetorical challenge, often implying "what's the use?" or "so what if...?"
This pattern is far more nuanced and impactful than simpler "even if" constructions. It inherently carries a negative or rhetorical implication in the consequent clause, suggesting that the effort, condition, or situation in the first clause is ultimately pointless or insufficient to alter the inevitable negative conclusion.
While other conditional expressions merely state a hypothetical, -ㄴ/은들 adds a layer of emotional weight, suggesting that the speaker views the conceded condition as inherently weak or incapable of producing a desired positive result. Its usage is often found in more formal or reflective contexts, including literature, speeches, and emotionally charged conversations.
How This Grammar Works
-ㄴ/은들 is to set up a conceded hypothetical premise and then to emphatically reject its potential to influence a subsequent outcome. You are essentially admitting, for the sake of argument, that the first clause might be true, but immediately asserting that it makes no practical difference.-ㄴ/은들 combines a past participial form (-ㄴ/은) with the particle -들. The -들 here functions to indicate an inclusive or exhaustive range of possibilities for the hypothetical, reinforcing the idea of "even if all conditions were met" or "even in that case." This structure positions the preceding clause as a factor that is considered but ultimately dismissed as ineffective.-ㄴ/은들 will almost invariably be either a rhetorical question implying futility (e.g., 무슨 소용이 있겠어요? – "What good would it be?"), a negative statement (e.g., 소용없어요 – "It's useless"), or a statement of unchanging fact (e.g., 달라질 게 없어요 – "Nothing will change"). It fundamentally communicates a lack of efficacy or power in the initial hypothetical.돈이 많은들 행복하겠어요? (Don-i manheundeul haengbokhagesseoyo?), you're not just asking if money brings happiness; you're rhetorically suggesting that even with abundant wealth, true happiness might still be elusive or unattainable. The implication is strong: "Even if you have a lot of money, would you truly be happy? (No, probably not)."Formation Pattern
-ㄴ/은들 to verb or adjective stems follows a consistent pattern, largely similar to noun-modifying forms in Korean. It can also be used with 이다 (to be) and in the past tense. Remember to distinguish between vowel and consonant endings for stems.
-ㄴ/은들 Form (해체/합니다체) | Romanization | Meaning |
ㄹ | Drop 다, add -ㄴ들 | 가다 (to go) | 가 | 간들 | gandeul | Even if one goes |
ㄹ irregular, ㄹ drops) | 예쁘다 (to be pretty) | 예쁘 | 예쁜들 | yeppeundeul | Even if it's pretty |
살다 (to live) | 살 | 산들 | sandeul | Even if one lives |
다, add -은들 | 먹다 (to eat) | 먹 | 먹은들 | meogeundeul | Even if one eats |
좋다 (to be good) | 좋 | 좋은들 | joeundeul | Even if it's good |
있다 (to exist) | 있 | 있은들 | isseundeul | Even if one has/exists |
없다 (to not exist) | 없 | 없은들 | eopseundeul | Even if one doesn't have/exist |
ㄹ irregulars. When ㄹ is the final consonant of the stem and -ㄴ들 is added, the ㄹ drops. For example, 만들다 (to make) becomes 만든들 (mandeundeul), not 만들은들.
이다 (to be)
-인들 to the noun itself. This implies "even if one is (that noun)."
이다 Form | -ㄴ/은들 Form (해체/합니다체) | Romanization | Meaning |
-인들 | 부자 (rich person) | 부자이다 | 부자인들 | bujaindeul | Even if one is a rich person |
학생 (student) | 학생이다 | 학생인들 | haksaengindeul | Even if one is a student |
-은들 to the past tense adnominal form (-았/었).
-었 | -ㄴ/은들 Form (해체/합니다체) | Romanization | Meaning |
았/었 + 은들 | 가다 (to go) | 갔 | 갔은들 | gasseundeul | Even if one had gone |
먹다 (to eat) | 먹었 | 먹었은들 | meogeosseundeul | Even if one had eaten |
말한들 (malhandeul): Even if one speaks / Even if one says
아름다운들 (areumda-undeul): Even if it's beautiful
친분인들 (chinbunindeul): Even if it's a close relationship
When To Use It
-ㄴ/은들 is employed when you want to convey a sense of unshakeable futility or profound skepticism regarding a hypothetical situation. Its rhetorical power makes it suitable for specific communicative goals, often highlighting an ironic or resigned perspective.- Expressing Futility: Use
-ㄴ/은들to emphasize that a particular action or condition, even if realized, would be pointless or ineffective in achieving a desired outcome. This is common when lamenting wasted effort or an unchangeable situation. 아무리 노력한들 결과는 똑같을 거예요.(Amuri noryeokhandeul gyeolgwaneun ttokgateul geoyeyo.)
아무리 노력한들 결과는 똑같을 겁니다. (Amuri noryeokhandeul gyeolgwaneun ttokgateul geomnida.)- Rhetorical Questions: This is perhaps the most common and impactful usage. By posing a question after
-ㄴ/은들, the speaker strongly implies a negative answer, underscoring the pointlessness of the hypothetical. These questions are not seeking information but asserting an opinion. 그렇게 쉽게 포기한들 뭐가 달라지겠어요?(Geureoke swipge pogihandeul mwoga dallajigesseoyo?)
그렇게 쉽게 포기한들 무엇이 달라지겠습니까? (Geureoke swipge pogihandeul mueosi dallajigetseumnikka?)- Deep Skepticism or Resignation:
-ㄴ/은들can reflect a deeply pessimistic or resigned outlook on a situation, where the speaker has lost faith in the possibility of a positive change, regardless of hypothetical efforts. 지금 와서 후회한들 무슨 소용이 있어?(Jigeum waseo huhoehadeul museun soyong-i isseo?)
지금 와서 후회한들 무슨 소용이 있습니까? (Jigeum waseo huhoehadeul museun soyong-i itseumnikka?)- Dramatic Emphasis: In narratives, speeches, or emotional exchanges,
-ㄴ/은들can heighten the dramatic tension by creating a sense of inevitability or despair. It's often found in K-drama dialogues when characters express profound helplessness. 세상이 끝난들 내가 너를 잊을 수 있겠니?(Sesang-i kkeutnandeul naega neoreul ijeul su itgenni?)
세상이 끝난들 제가 당신을 잊을 수 있겠습니까? (Sesang-i kkeutnandeul jega dangsin-eul ijeul su itgesseumnikka?)-ㄴ/은들 often taps into a sentiment of 한 (han), a complex emotion of deep sorrow, regret, and resignation. It's used when acknowledging a grim reality that cannot be altered, regardless of what one might wish or try.Common Mistakes
-ㄴ/은들 is key to avoiding misusage. Learners frequently make errors by not fully grasping its inherent negative or rhetorical force.- Using with Positive Outcomes: The most critical mistake is employing
-ㄴ/은들when the intended consequence is positive or hopeful. This pattern fundamentally communicates futility or lack of impact, so pairing it with an affirmative result creates a nonsensical or contradictory statement. - Incorrect:
열심히 공부한들 합격할 거예요!(Yeolsimhi gongbuhadeul hapgyeokhal geoyeyo!)
은들 here makes the effort seem ineffective or irrelevant to passing.- Correct:
열심히 공부한들 시험이 너무 어려워서 소용없어요.(Yeolsimhi gongbuhadeul siheomi neomu eoryeowoseo soyong-eopseoyo.)
- Confusing with
-더라도(Even if/Though): While both express a concession,-더라도is neutral regarding the outcome. It can be followed by positive, negative, or neutral consequences, indicating that the action will proceed regardless of the condition.-ㄴ/은들is strictly constrained to negative or rhetorical outcomes. 비가 오더라도 갈 거예요.(Biga ogeondeul gal geoyeyo.) - "Even if it rains, I will go." (Neutral condition, positive action)비가 온들 무슨 소용이 있겠어?(Biga ondeul museun soyong-i itgesseo?) - "Even if it rains, what's the use?" (Negative implication, perhaps referring to a drought)
- Incorrect Irregular Verb Conjugation:
ㄹirregular verbs (e.g.,살다,만들다,놀다) drop theirㄹbefore initialㄴsounds. This rule applies to-ㄴ/은들, so만들다becomes만든들(mandeundeul), not만들은들. - Incorrect:
그렇게 만든은들 좋겠어요?(Geureoke mandeuneundeul jokgesseoyo?) - Correct:
그렇게 만든들 좋겠어요?(Geureoke mandeundeul jokgesseoyo?)
- Overuse in Casual Conversation:
-ㄴ/은들carries a certain gravitas and rhetorical weight. While it can appear in emotional casual exchanges, it's generally more formal or dramatic than alternatives like-아/어 봤자. Using it inappropriately in very light or superficial contexts can sound overly dramatic or unnatural.
-ㄴ/은들 is the grammar pattern of resignation to futility. If the consequence is not futile, unchanging, or a rhetorical question implying negativity, then -ㄴ/은들 is likely the wrong choice.Real Conversations
In contemporary Korean, -ㄴ/은들 appears in contexts ranging from reflective personal thoughts to public commentary, often retaining its nuanced implication of futility or skepticism. While it is more formal than -아/어 봤자, it is not exclusively academic. It can inject a strong emotional or philosophical tone into everyday discussions, especially when discussing perceived injustices, unavoidable difficulties, or unchangeable realities.
Here are examples reflecting real-world usage, showing both formal (합니다체) and informal (해체) variations where appropriate:
- Expressing Frustration with Bureaucracy:
- 아무리 민원을 넣어본들 절차가 이렇게 복잡해서야 무슨 해결이 되겠어요? (Amuri minwon-eul neoeobondeul jeolchaga ireoke bokjaphaeseoya museun haegyeor-i doegesseoyo?)
"Even if you submit a complaint, with the procedure being this complex, what kind of solution would there be?" (Implies: No real solution will come).
- Shorter, informal text: 민원 넣어본들 소용없지 않겠냐. (Minwon neoeobondeul soyong-eopji anketnya.) "Even if I complain, won't it be useless?"
- Reflecting on Past Decisions/Regret:
- 그때 다른 선택을 했은들 지금이 크게 달라졌을까 싶어요. (Geuttae dareun seontaeg-eul haesseundeul jigeum-i keuge dallajyeosseulkka sipeoyo.)
"Even if I had made a different choice back then, I wonder if the present would have changed much." (Implies: Probably not, the outcome might be similar).
- Social Media Comment: 그때 그랬은들 어차피 똑같았을듯. (Geuttae geuraesseundeul eochapi ttokgatasseuldeut.) "Even if it was like that then, it would've been the same anyway."
- Skepticism Towards Empty Promises:
- 그가 아무리 좋은 말을 한들 이미 신뢰를 잃었는데 누가 믿어주겠어요? (Geuga amuri joeun mar-eul handeul imi sillyereul ileonneunde nuga mideojugesseoyo?)
"Even if he says good things, he's already lost trust, so who would believe him?" (Implies: No one will).
- Casual conversation: 걔가 아무리 잘해준들 이제 와서 뭘 기대하겠냐. (Gyaega amuri jalhaejundel ije waseo mwol gidaehagennya.) "Even if he treats me well, what would I expect now?"
- Philosophical or Poetic Context (as seen in lyrics or literature):
- 이 생명 다한들 그대 향한 마음 변치 않으리. (I saengmyeong dahnandeul geudae hyanghan maeum byeonchi aneuri.)
"Even if this life ends, my heart for you will not change." (A dramatic expression of eternal devotion).
Notice how the examples consistently lead to a conclusion that negates the effectiveness of the initial hypothetical condition. This reinforces the core meaning of -ㄴ/은들 in real-world usage.
Quick FAQ
-ㄴ/은들 that often arise during the learning process.- Q1: Can
-ㄴ/은들be used with future tense markers like-겠-or-(으)ㄹ 것이다? - A1: Rarely directly on the future marker itself.
-ㄴ/은들typically attaches to the verb/adjective stem or the past tense stem to express the hypothetical situation. The future implication of the overall sentence usually comes from the context of the second clause (e.g., a future-oriented rhetorical question,뭐가 달라지겠어요?). For example, you wouldn't say가겠은들.
- Q2: Is
-ㄴ/은들always negative? - A2: Overwhelmingly, yes. It almost exclusively implies a negative, futile, or unchanging outcome. While you might encounter a highly dramatic or poetic usage where it expresses an unyielding truth despite extraordinary circumstances (e.g.,
세상이 끝난들 사랑이 변할 리가 없다– "Even if the world ends, love won't change"), this still functions by negating a potential change, thereby affirming an unyielding constant. The underlying sentiment is still one of an unalterable reality, not a positive consequence of the hypothetical.
- Q3: How does
-ㄴ/은들compare to-아/어 봤자(a common B1/B2 pattern)? - A3: They both convey futility, but with different nuances and formality.
-아/어 봤자(even if one tries/does X, it's useless) is more casual, conversational, and focuses more on the effort expended being in vain.-ㄴ/은들is generally more formal or literary, covers a broader range of hypothetical situations (not just effort), and has a stronger rhetorical or dramatic flair, often implying a deeper sense of resignation.-ㄴ/은들can feel more like a philosophical statement, while-아/어 봤자is a pragmatic, often cynical, observation.
- Q4: Can
-ㄴ/은들be used in imperative (-(으)세요) or propositive (-(으)ㅂ시다) sentences? - A4: No, because the second clause must express a factual or rhetorical outcome of the speaker's assessment, not a command or a suggestion to the listener. An imperative or propositive would contradict the pattern's inherent function of expressing futility or an unchangeable state. The pattern is about an established truth or the speaker's firm conclusion.
- Q5: Are there any specific particles or endings that often follow the second clause when using
-ㄴ/은들? - A5: Yes, you'll frequently see rhetorical question endings like
-(으)ㄹ까요?(e.g.,바뀔까요?– "Would it change?"),-겠어요?(e.g.,소용이 있겠어요?– "Would it be useful?"), or declarative negative statements like-(으)ㄹ 리가 없어요(e.g.,달라질 리가 없어요– "There's no way it would change"), or simple negative conclusions like소용없다(soyong-eopda). These naturally align with the pattern's core meaning of futility.
-ㄴ/은들 will empower you to use it effectively, adding depth and precision to your Korean expression at the upper-intermediate level.Formation of -ㄴ/은들
| Verb Type | Stem Ending | Suffix | Example |
|---|---|---|---|
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Vowel
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가다
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-ㄴ들
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간들
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Consonant
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먹다
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-은들
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먹은들
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ㄹ-ending
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살다
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-ㄴ들
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산들
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Irregular (ㄷ)
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듣다
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-은들
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들은들
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Irregular (ㅂ)
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돕다
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-은들
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도운들
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Irregular (ㅅ)
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짓다
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-은들
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지은들
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Meanings
This grammar expresses that a specific condition, even if realized, will not influence or change the outcome of the situation.
Rhetorical Futility
Emphasizing that an action is useless.
“그가 온들 무슨 소용인가?”
“지금 후회한들 이미 늦었다.”
Reference Table
| Form | Structure | Example |
|---|---|---|
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Affirmative
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Verb + ㄴ/은들
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간들
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Negative
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안 + Verb + ㄴ/은들
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안 간들
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Past
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Verb + 았/었 + 은들
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갔은들
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Rhetorical
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Verb + ㄴ/은들 + 소용인가?
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간들 소용인가?
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Adjective
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Adj + ㄴ/은들
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예쁜들
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Formality Spectrum
말씀하신들 소용이 없습니다. (Argument)
말한들 소용없어요. (Argument)
말한들 소용없어. (Argument)
말해봤자 꽝이야. (Argument)
The Logic of -ㄴ/은들
Result
- 변함없음 No change
Nuance
- 무의미 Pointless
Examples by Level
지금 간들 소용없어요.
Even if you go now, it's useless.
공부한들 성적이 안 올라요.
Even if I study, my grades don't go up.
말한들 누가 듣겠어요?
Even if I say it, who will listen?
먹은들 배가 고파요.
Even if I eat, I am hungry.
본들 알 수 없어요.
Even if I see it, I can't know.
아무리 노력한들 결과는 똑같아요.
No matter how hard you try, the result is the same.
그가 사과한들 마음이 풀리겠니?
Even if he apologizes, will your heart be eased?
비가 온들 우리는 갈 거예요.
Even if it rains, we will go.
지금 후회한들 무슨 소용이야?
Even if you regret it now, what's the use?
그가 아무리 똑똑한들 이번 시험은 어려울 것이다.
No matter how smart he is, this exam will be difficult.
부모님이 반대한들 내 결심은 변하지 않는다.
Even if my parents oppose it, my resolve will not change.
정부가 정책을 바꾼들 경제가 살아날까?
Even if the government changes the policy, will the economy recover?
시간이 흐른들 우리의 우정은 변치 않으리라.
Even if time passes, our friendship will not change.
그가 진실을 말한들 아무도 믿지 않을 것이다.
Even if he tells the truth, no one will believe him.
천하를 얻은들 건강을 잃으면 무슨 소용인가.
Even if one gains the whole world, what is the use if one loses health?
그녀가 아무리 애원한들 이미 엎질러진 물이다.
No matter how much she begs, it is water under the bridge.
기술이 발전한들 인간의 본성은 변하지 않는다.
Even if technology advances, human nature does not change.
설령 그가 신의 경지에 도달한들 인간의 한계는 명확하다.
Even if he reaches the level of a god, human limitations are clear.
역사가 반복된들 우리는 배우는 것이 없다.
Even if history repeats itself, we learn nothing.
그가 아무리 고고한 척한들 본질은 변하지 않는다.
No matter how much he pretends to be noble, his essence does not change.
세상이 변한들 나의 신념은 굳건하다.
Even if the world changes, my conviction is firm.
Easily Confused
Both mean 'even if'.
Both are concessive.
Both express hypothetical conditions.
Common Mistakes
가다은들
간들
먹은들 좋다
먹은들 소용없다
비가 온들 갈 것이다
비가 온들 안 갈 것이다
그가 한들 했다
그가 한들 무슨 소용인가
공부한들 합격할 거야
공부한들 소용없어
예쁜들 예쁘다
예쁜들 소용없다
말한들 들었다
말한들 안 들었다
노력한들 결과가 좋다
노력한들 결과는 같다
간들 안 가요
간들 무슨 소용인가
먹은들 배가 부르다
먹은들 배가 고프다
그가 온들 왔다
그가 온들 무슨 상관인가
성공한들 기쁘다
성공한들 허무하다
시간이 흐른들 변했다
시간이 흐른들 변하지 않는다
Sentence Patterns
___한들 무슨 소용인가?
아무리 ___한들 결과는 같다.
그가 ___한들 내 마음은 변하지 않는다.
시간이 ___한들 잊을 수 없다.
Real World Usage
역사가 반복된들 우리는 배우지 못한다.
정부가 정책을 바꾼들 경제가 살아나겠습니까?
이제 와서 사과한들 무슨 소용이야!
아무리 노력한들 결과는 내 마음대로 안 되네.
과거를 후회한들 발전이 없다는 것을 깨달았습니다.
비가 온들 우리의 여행은 계속된다.
Focus on the negative
Avoid positive outcomes
Use for emphasis
Literary tone
Smart Tips
Use -ㄴ/은들 to make your frustration sound more poetic and emphatic.
Use -ㄴ/은들 to dismiss opposing arguments effectively.
Use it to highlight the pointlessness of an action.
Use it to challenge the other person's logic.
Pronunciation
Liaison
The 'ㄴ' or 'ㄹ' sound often links to the next word.
Rhetorical Question
말한들 소용있니? ↑
Rising intonation at the end to emphasize the rhetorical nature.
Memorize It
Mnemonic
Think of 'ㄴ/은들' as 'Even if I do it, it's a dead end.'
Visual Association
Imagine a person running on a treadmill. No matter how fast they run, they stay in the same place.
Rhyme
말한들, 먹은들, 소용없는 일들.
Story
Min-su tried to fix his broken phone. He replaced the screen, but it didn't turn on. He sighed, '고친들 뭐해, 이미 망가졌는데.' (Even if I fixed it, what's the point? It's already broken.)
Word Web
Challenge
Write 3 sentences about things that are pointless to do, using this grammar.
Cultural Notes
Koreans use this to show modesty or resignation in formal settings.
Derived from the archaic concessive particle '-ㄴ들'.
Conversation Starters
지금 후회한들 무슨 소용이 있을까요?
아무리 노력한들 결과가 안 좋으면 어떡하죠?
그가 사과한들 받아줄 건가요?
기술이 발전한들 인간의 본성은 변할까요?
Journal Prompts
Common Mistakes
Test Yourself
지금 후회___ 소용없다.
Which sentence is correct?
Find and fix the mistake:
그가 온들 기쁘다.
Arrange the words in the correct order:
All words placed
Click words above to build the sentence
Even if you go, it's useless.
Answer starts with: 간들 ...
Match each item on the left with its pair on the right:
노력하다 + 결과는 같다
듣다 + -ㄴ/은들
Score: /8
Practice Exercises
8 exercises지금 후회___ 소용없다.
Which sentence is correct?
Find and fix the mistake:
그가 온들 기쁘다.
소용 / 무슨 / 말한들 / 인가
Even if you go, it's useless.
Match: 가다, 먹다, 살다
노력하다 + 결과는 같다
듣다 + -ㄴ/은들
Score: /8
Practice Bank
11 exercises이미 깨진 접시를 보고 ___ 다시 붙지 않아. (울다)
Match the left side to the right side.
집이 ___ 마음이 편하면 최고지.
Even if you start now, it won't be easy.
빌다 (to beg) / 그 사람은 / 안 들을 거야 / 내가 / -ㄴ들
Which sentence uses -ㄴ/은들 unnaturaly?
그 사실을 ___ 내가 뭘 할 수 있겠어? (모르다)
내가 ___ 지금은 그냥 노인일 뿐이다.
친구가 ___ 진정한 친구가 아니면 의미 없어. (많다)
먹은들 (Eat), 입은들 (Wear), 닫ㄴ들 (Close).
Connect the base form to the -ㄴ/은들 form.
Score: /11
FAQ (8)
It is possible, but it sounds very dramatic and emphatic. It is better to use -아/어 봤자 in daily life.
Yes, the following clause must express a negative outcome or a rhetorical question.
Both are concessive, but -ㄴ/은들 focuses on the futility of the condition.
Yes, you can use it with adjectives, but it is less common than with verbs.
Yes, it is considered a formal and literary grammar point.
Because it deals with conditions that may or may not happen.
Yes, you can use it with past tense markers like -았/었-.
Using it with a positive outcome.
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In Other Languages
aunque
The focus on futility.
même si
Lack of rhetorical nuance.
selbst wenn
Register difference.
tatoe ~temo
Japanese is more common in daily speech.
即使
Lack of inherent rhetorical question structure.
حتى لو
Register flexibility.
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